We sit down with Kate Lenton to explore a radical career pivot that moves from the pursuit of commercial perfection to the messy, transformative power of art psychotherapy.

After twenty years in the design industry - culminating in running a successful branding agency - Kate experienced a moment of clarity during the pandemic.

She realised she was managing business logistics rather than facilitating creativity, leading her to retrain as an art psychotherapist in her mid-forties.

The conversation delves deep into the friction between the education system and creative development. Kate highlights the alarming pipeline from school exclusion to the justice system, particularly for young men who struggle with the rigid "sit and be quiet" structure of modern schooling.

We also discuss her work in forensic settings, the importance of "holding space" in male prisons, and her role as Chair of Talk Club, a charity dedicated to men's mental fitness. This serves as a masterclass on why we must decouple creativity from the pressure of productivity and return to the act of play.